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Atheist intolerance
« Online: 15 de Novembro de 2008, 17:59:17 »
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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #1 Online: 17 de Novembro de 2008, 01:52:56 »
In these times I blame myself... for me, read English is pretty easy, but listen works another way... :(

Is there some subtitles for this vid? Even in Eng? (like, for deaf people)
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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #2 Online: 17 de Novembro de 2008, 10:44:39 »
At least I haven't found any... I didn't have any trouble to understand, but I'm used to CNN. I guess your problem might have been with their accent, could it?

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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #3 Online: 18 de Novembro de 2008, 02:11:04 »
At least I haven't found any... I didn't have any trouble to understand, but I'm used to CNN. I guess your problem might have been with their accent, could it?
Maybe, I'm far more used with British in general, really. In United-Statian accent, i.e, "bottom" and "bottle" always sound to my as *"borrom" and "borrle"...

And it has something to do on how I learned English - I never took Eng classes (except from regular school - but hey, one learns something in them?), and almost exclusively by reading...
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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #4 Online: 04 de Dezembro de 2008, 03:34:21 »
Here's a transcript I found on the web:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared.  I was beyond upset.  I have never experienced such anger and hatred.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This couple, we're calling them John and Jane Smith, are so afraid they asked us not to identify them.  Two years ago they say the small Mississippi town where they lived turned against them after they complained to the principal of their son's public elementary school about class time devoted to bible study and prayer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were pariahs.  Nobody would speak to us.  It was, nobody would let their children play with my son.

GALLAGHER: The Smith's story made local headlines when it was revealed that they were atheists and soon after, tensions at the school escalated.  John says members of the community even called his boss at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they called him to complain about the fact that he had brought an atheist to town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were absolutely isolated.  People would drive the house, park in front of our house and stare like we were in a zoo.

GALLAGHER: Eventually they left town altogether.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... nice place to live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... nice place to raise them.

GALLAGHER: While some atheists try to hide their secular views, Jean and Mike Rice are atheists who have spoken out.

MIKE RICE, ATHEIST: As an atheist, I'm the last minority that it's OK to really bash or put down.

GALLAGHER: The Rice's say they frequently encountered intolerance.

JEAN RICE: We're regularly told that we're going to hell, that we're sending our children to hell.

GALLAGHER: In the last town they lived, Jean Rice says soon after confiding her atheism to a friend, her landlord told the Rices they would have to move.

JEAN RICE, ATHEIST: Within a few days of my telling her that we are atheist, she -- I started hearing from other people, oh, are you atheist?  And it was quite shocking and within a few weeks, my landlord, our landlord gave us notice.

GALLAGHER: The Rices say they can't prove that religious discrimination was the reason they were asked to leave, but they found the timing suspicious.

MIKE RICE: It's hard on the kids, because our daughter had no one to play with for a long time.

GALLAGHER: In the U.S., the number of atheists is estimated between 1 and 3 percent of the overall population.  That's at least three million people.  A recent study by the University of Minnesota found that atheists are the least trusted minority group in the United States and are less accepted than other marginalized groups, including Muslims and homosexuals.

LORI LIPMAN BROWN, SECULAR COALITION FOR AMERICA: I get calls from all over the United States from people who have been harassed, ostracized, sometimes lost their job because of discrimination against non-theistic Americans.

RYAN ANDERSON, JUNIOR FELLOW, FIRST THINGS: We feel, to a certain extent, that atheists are very much on the attack.

GALLAGHER: Ryan Anderson with the religious journal "First Things" says atheists themselves contribute to the mistrust.

ANDERSON: Part of the public persona and the public image of atheism is what's presented by people suing to remove "In God We Trust" from the coins or God phrase in the pledge of allegiance.  And when that militant atheism becomes kind of like the public image of atheism, I think that gives rise to a lot of discontent with atheism.

JEAN RICE: When they can talk about religion and preach on the street corner but if we try to do the equal time, if we try to go out there and say as much about there is no God.

MIKE RICE: I'm the one being oppressed at that point.

GALLAGHER: Delia Gallagher, CNN, Colorado.
"Galileo was more perceptive than his prosecutors" - Pope John Paul II, 1992

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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #5 Online: 04 de Dezembro de 2008, 12:24:08 »
Thanks a lot, Galileo! Where did you find it, at CNN.com?

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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #6 Online: 04 de Dezembro de 2008, 14:14:47 »
"Galileo was more perceptive than his prosecutors" - Pope John Paul II, 1992

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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #7 Online: 05 de Dezembro de 2008, 03:19:21 »
Here's a transcript I found on the web:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared.  I was beyond upset.  I have never experienced such anger and hatred.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This couple, we're calling them John and Jane Smith, are so afraid they asked us not to identify them.  Two years ago they say the small Mississippi town where they lived turned against them after they complained to the principal of their son's public elementary school about class time devoted to bible study and prayer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were pariahs.  Nobody would speak to us.  It was, nobody would let their children play with my son.

GALLAGHER: The Smith's story made local headlines when it was revealed that they were atheists and soon after, tensions at the school escalated.  John says members of the community even called his boss at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they called him to complain about the fact that he had brought an atheist to town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were absolutely isolated.  People would drive the house, park in front of our house and stare like we were in a zoo.

GALLAGHER: Eventually they left town altogether.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... nice place to live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... nice place to raise them.

GALLAGHER: While some atheists try to hide their secular views, Jean and Mike Rice are atheists who have spoken out.

MIKE RICE, ATHEIST: As an atheist, I'm the last minority that it's OK to really bash or put down.

GALLAGHER: The Rice's say they frequently encountered intolerance.

JEAN RICE: We're regularly told that we're going to hell, that we're sending our children to hell.

GALLAGHER: In the last town they lived, Jean Rice says soon after confiding her atheism to a friend, her landlord told the Rices they would have to move.

JEAN RICE, ATHEIST: Within a few days of my telling her that we are atheist, she -- I started hearing from other people, oh, are you atheist?  And it was quite shocking and within a few weeks, my landlord, our landlord gave us notice.

GALLAGHER: The Rices say they can't prove that religious discrimination was the reason they were asked to leave, but they found the timing suspicious.

MIKE RICE: It's hard on the kids, because our daughter had no one to play with for a long time.

GALLAGHER: In the U.S., the number of atheists is estimated between 1 and 3 percent of the overall population.  That's at least three million people.  A recent study by the University of Minnesota found that atheists are the least trusted minority group in the United States and are less accepted than other marginalized groups, including Muslims and homosexuals.

LORI LIPMAN BROWN, SECULAR COALITION FOR AMERICA: I get calls from all over the United States from people who have been harassed, ostracized, sometimes lost their job because of discrimination against non-theistic Americans.

RYAN ANDERSON, JUNIOR FELLOW, FIRST THINGS: We feel, to a certain extent, that atheists are very much on the attack.

GALLAGHER: Ryan Anderson with the religious journal "First Things" says atheists themselves contribute to the mistrust.

ANDERSON: Part of the public persona and the public image of atheism is what's presented by people suing to remove "In God We Trust" from the coins or God phrase in the pledge of allegiance.  And when that militant atheism becomes kind of like the public image of atheism, I think that gives rise to a lot of discontent with atheism.

JEAN RICE: When they can talk about religion and preach on the street corner but if we try to do the equal time, if we try to go out there and say as much about there is no God.

MIKE RICE: I'm the one being oppressed at that point.

GALLAGHER: Delia Gallagher, CNN, Colorado.
Dude... Thanks a lot!

And, after all, the "free country for everyone" shows that ain't "free", nor "for everyone"... is a sad thing: choose between to lie or be put aside from the community.

United-Statian is close-minded, as it seems. They don't accept different views, they only see b&w where the colour is obviously grey. Christians are Good, The Rest is Eeeeeevil :evil:

That's OK. Je suis plus avec français et anglais...

BTW - wanna know how they see Atheists? Just look some toons:




(Hey, I found some... here: http://copticatheist.blogspot.com )
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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #8 Online: 05 de Dezembro de 2008, 14:48:22 »
Well, I think your opinion about americans is prejudicious and close-munded, Eremita. Of course there are places in US where you shouldn't let anybody know you're an atheist, but so is Brazil, our country is no different. And as the matter of fact, I think in both cases the intolerance is bigger at small, countryside, communities. The more cosmopolitan a city, the more tolerant are the people.

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Re: Atheist intolerance
« Resposta #9 Online: 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 07:56:42 »
Well, I think your opinion about americans is prejudicious and close-munded, Eremita. Of course there are places in US where you shouldn't let anybody know you're an atheist, but so is Brazil, our country is no different. And as the matter of fact, I think in both cases the intolerance is bigger at small, countryside, communities. The more cosmopolitan a city, the more tolerant are the people.
I should make myself clearer... sorry.

I mean to say that "in my opinion, there's proportionally more intolerant people in USA than would be expected for the rest of world". Note that I don't compare it with Brazil, I think they're tied.

But... about country size, places and places... well, don't let Texas' and Kansas' people know my atheism :biglol: (This' my way to say that I agree with this - mean isn't the only measure).
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