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« Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 20:45:05 »
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/20/mary.underpass.ap/index.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7570729/

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep20.html

From the last link above:

"In clusters of two and three and four, the faithful who are flocking to and from the image of the Virgin Mary -- they walk right past the homeless man. They walk right past him, as if he's not even there."

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« Resposta #1 Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 20:59:36 »
if i say what i saw in this picture... :oops:
filosofia de um professor meu:
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« Resposta #2 Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 21:08:29 »
Not just you, esperto..  :oops:  :lol:

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« Resposta #3 Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 21:09:50 »
:tarado:
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« Resposta #4 Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 21:12:45 »
This is a giant human being.

Newton's Law of Gravitation:
What goes up must come down. But don't expect it to come down where you can find it. Murphy's Law applies to Newton's.

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« Resposta #5 Online: 20 de Abril de 2005, 23:58:02 »
Pareidoly? :P
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« Resposta #6 Online: 21 de Abril de 2005, 19:06:13 »
Schizophrenia? :P  :twisted:

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« Resposta #7 Online: 06 de Maio de 2005, 20:49:49 »
May 6, Chicago (AP):

A man was arrested for allegedly scrawling the words "big lie" over a stain on an expressway underpass that some believed was an image of the Virgin Mary.

Authorities then painted over the stain because it had been defaced, police spokesman David Banks said Friday.

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Authorities charged Victor Gonzalez, 37, of Chicago, Illinois, with criminal damage to state property, a misdemeanor. Witnesses had seen him painting the image, Banks said. A telephone listing for Gonzalez could not immediately be found.

A steady stream of the faithful and the curious, many carrying flowers and candles, had flocked to the emergency turnoff area under the Kennedy Expressway since last month. On Friday, some people gathered at the site and expressed sorrow.

The stain was likely the result of salt runoff, according to the Illinois Department of Transportation.

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« Resposta #8 Online: 06 de Maio de 2005, 23:22:18 »
Are you saying... it's over?

Mwahahahahahahahahahah!!!  :twisted:

PS: Someone in an topic said to have seen an article saying about an group of canadian researchers being discovered that the real numer of the beast is 616 and not 666. It's truth or some hoax?
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« Resposta #9 Online: 07 de Maio de 2005, 14:01:02 »
Beast's real mark devalued to '616'
Revelation fragment
Chris Wattie, National Post
May 4, 2005
 
Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.

Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Dr. Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

The fragment was part of a hoard of previously illegible manuscripts discovered in an ancient garbage dump outside the Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Although the papyrus was first excavated in 1895, it was badly discoloured and damaged. Classics scholars at Oxford University were only recently able to read it using new advanced imaging techniques.

Elijah Dann, a professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, said the new number is unlikely to make a dent in the popularity of 666.

"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it.

"It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."

The book is thought to have been written by the disciple John and according to the King James Bible, the traditional translation of the passage reads: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

But Dr. Aitken said that translation was drawn from much later versions of the New Testament than the fragment found in Oxyrhynchus. "When we're talking about the early biblical texts, we're always talking about copies and they are copies made, at best, 150 to 200 years after [the original] was written," she said.

"They can have mistakes in the copying, changes for political or theological reasons ... it's like a detective story piecing it all together."

Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name, she said.

"It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."

Revelation was actually a thinly disguised political tract, with the names of those being criticized changed to numbers to protect the authors and early Christians from reprisals. "It's a very political document," Dr. Aitken said. "It's a critique of the politics and society of the Roman empire, but it's written in coded language and riddles."
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If they keep looking, imagine what other "mistakes" they might find in the "Word of God"!
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« Resposta #10 Online: 09 de Maio de 2005, 19:26:28 »
Well... Let's wait for the recall of the microchips that was implanted on us...  :roll:
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« Resposta #11 Online: 09 de Maio de 2005, 21:38:43 »
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Well... Let's wait for the recall of the microchips that was implanted on us...  :roll:


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« Resposta #12 Online: 30 de Maio de 2005, 16:45:56 »
Usually I can push my mind to see those freak illusions on toasts, dirty pans, etc. I really can´t see anything but a stained wall there even though it was circled.
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« Resposta #13 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 08:42:54 »
People used to adore material things...

 :x
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« Resposta #14 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 11:54:07 »
People loves worshipping inexistent things as well...
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« Resposta #15 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 12:17:27 »
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People loves worshipping inexistent things as well...


What kind of things?
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« Resposta #16 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 13:01:14 »
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What kind of things?


God, as one of them.
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« Resposta #17 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 14:06:51 »
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What kind of things?


God, as one of them.


How can you say God's an inexisting thing if you can´t prove it anyway? Can you prove that God inexists?
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« Resposta #18 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 14:43:15 »
Can you prove it exists?

*Hint* - the burden of proof is yours.
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« Resposta #19 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 14:55:38 »
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Can you prove it exists?

*Hint* - the burden of proof is yours.


No, I didn´t say it exists. You´ve said it DOESN'T exist, you have to prove it. (Like the scientists that deny the HIV is the cause of AIDS, they have to prove it!)

So, go on! I´m waiting for your proves...

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« Resposta #20 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 15:00:54 »
So ask the people worshipping it to prove it.
You can´t place me the burden of proof with word tricks. It still yours.
Enough of this nonsense.
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« Resposta #21 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 15:32:01 »
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So ask the people worshipping it to prove it.


No, never. They believe in it. I want you to prove me that God doesn't exist. If you're unable to do it, don't be so secure about that.

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You can´t place me the burden of proof with word tricks. It still yours.


I never told you God exists, why I have to prove it to you?

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Enough of this nonsense.


You should be agnostic rather than atheist, my friend...
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« Resposta #22 Online: 31 de Maio de 2005, 16:11:34 »
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No, never. They believe in it. I want you to prove me that God doesn't exist. If you're unable to do it, don't be so secure about that.

I can´t prove that gnomes or  invisible flying unicorns don´t exist and i´m pretty secure they don´t.
Of course, i´m open to evidences if you have any.


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I never told you God exists, why I have to prove it to you?

Neither did I. It seems you don´t even have a point except annoy me.

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You should be agnostic rather than atheist, my friend...

No one can logically prove that something doesn´t exists. That is why I only believe on what is proved, until then it doesn´t exists. That makes me an atheist, my friend...


So, I can keep stating the inexistence of whatever I want and let the ones bothered about it come and prove otherwise.
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« Resposta #23 Online: 01 de Junho de 2005, 09:22:20 »
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I can´t prove that gnomes or  invisible flying unicorns don´t exist and i´m pretty secure they don´t.
Of course, i´m open to evidences if you have any.


No, I haven't. But I really can´t say it doesn't exist. "Of course I may be wrong", said Sagan...

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I never told you God exists, why I have to prove it to you?

Neither did I.


Sure you didn't.

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It seems you don´t even have a point except annoy me.


Oh, no. Annoying you has not been my intention. We're just discussing our different points of view. None of us is quite correct. Nobody knows the true. All of us has only a little part of the True!

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No one can logically prove that something doesn´t exists. That is why I only believe on what is proved, until then it doesn´t exists. That makes me an atheist, my friend...


Atheism and believing are the two faces of a same coin. They are the extreme points of
human weakness.

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So, I can keep stating the inexistence of whatever I want and let the ones bothered about it come and prove otherwise.


Yes, sure! The same way I can deny de HIV hypothesis of AIDS disease...
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« Resposta #24 Online: 02 de Junho de 2005, 01:01:24 »
I don't see any problem with denying the existence of something whose existence is not only unproven, but if proven, would violate the laws of physics as we know them.

In the absence of evidence either way, belief in non-existence is just as valid as belief in existence.

Maybe I can't prove the non-existence of a god, but there is no reason not to carry on with my life as if I can prove it.

My atheism is completely consistent with all my empirical experience with the world. Those who believe in a deity, however, frequently encounter inconsistencies between their belief and the reality of the world that presents itself to them.
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