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A nova política de defesa
« Online: 29 de Outubro de 2007, 19:03:21 »
A nova política de defesa

Nesta semana o Ministério da Defesa anunciará o propósito do governo de acelerar as pesquisas nucleares. Serão destinados R$ 130 milhões para o Projeto Aramar, da Marinha, de enriquecimento de urânio. A informação me foi passada pelo Ministro Nelson Jobim.

Esta será uma das pernas do Plano Estratégico de Defesa, que está sendo montado no momento. Como parte das novas prioridades, o Ministério conseguiu R$ 3 bilhões além dos R$ 6 bi destinados às Forças Armadas. E mais R$ 1 bi de remanejamento orçamentário para o próximo ano.

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Nesse ínterim, o Plano estará sendo montado para ser apresentado, completo, no dia 7 de setembro de 2008. A idéia central será dotar o país de autonomia tecnológica na área de Defesa.

Primeiro, foi criado um Comitê presidido pelo Ministro da Defesa, coordenado pelo futuro Secretário das Ações de Longo Prazo, Roberto Mangabeira Unger, pelos comandantes das três Forças, e o Ministros da Fazenda, Planejamento e Ciências e Tecnologia.

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Foram feitas reuniões em separado com cada Força. Nelas, foi formulada uma série de hipóteses de necessidade de defesa em tempo de paz. Por exemplo, monitoramento de fronteiras; enfrentamento de forças paramilitares que invadam o território brasileiro; defesa da costa e das plataformas petrolíferas etc. Indagou-se como cada Força pretendia executar essa tarefa de monitoramento.

Na segunda etapa, se passará para indagações específicas, dependendo das respostas que derem. Qual o perfil da tropa e os equipamentos necessários para cumprir a tarefa da melhor forma? Quais as mudanças necessárias em termos de operações?

Por exemplo, para a defesa da Amazônia não há que se falar em organização militar baseada em blindados.
Finalmente, a última questão é sobre como cada Força poderia colaborar com outras para o cumprimento das tarefas.

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Nesses estudos, algumas questões são transversais a todas as Forças. A idéia central é a necessidade de criação de uma tecnologia independente vinda do setor privado. Qualquer política de defesa que dependa de importados, não é eficaz.

Até agora, as compras das Forças eram feitas de maneira isolada. Agora as compras obedecerão a essa política de defesa nacional, com a decisão política de se fabricar internamente os equipamentos.

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Essa tecnologia será viabilizar por uma política de compras públicas. Para tanto, haverá a necessidade de alterações na Lei de Licitações. Já houve uma relevante, dispensando de licitação a compra de produtos de alta tecnologia com implicações na Defesa. Pretende-se ampliar, tirando o “alta tecnologia”. Além disso, haverá a integração dos Institutos Militares nesse esforço.

No fundo, o grande desafio será compatibilizar a urgência em renovar os equipamentos, com a decisão de fabricá-los no Brasil.

Para tanto, haverá licitações para a aquisição de produtos estrangeiros, especialmente aviões, submarino e helicópteros. Mas uma condição será essencial: só com transferência de tecnologia.

Provavelmente em fevereiro serão lançadas as licitações para a compra de submarinos e aviões.

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #1 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 06:56:14 »
depois de acabar com a indústria militar brasileira a gente resolve trazer ela de novo?
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Re: A nova política de defesa
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do coha - counsil of hemispheric affairs

Nuclear-R-Us:
- Is Brazil's proposed construction of a nuclear submarine the result of imperial ambitions
or a matter of diving to the depths of pandering politics on Lula's part?

- Lula reignites the dream of the military junta: a Brazilian nuclear submarine.
Washington derides Iran's and North Korea's nuclear plans but mums the word when it comes to Brazil.
Is the Brazilian navy expecting to be attacked on the high seas by some far off land, or, is a new militarized geopolitical strategy being evolved by Brasilia, or, is Lula merely being pressured by his military to acquire this trophy weapons system which could cost the nation upwards of a billion dollars, yet do little to augment Brazilian security?

- If Brazil goes ahead with its nuclear project, it may violate the spirit of the Treaty of Tlatelolco and the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

- Who is going to provide Brazil with the necessary technology and advice it needs in order to successfully develop a nuclear submarine? Russia or China? Or will it be Brasilia's new sister pact members India and South Africa, or perhaps Iran with which it has had a decade-long nuclear relationship. What will be the roles of the UN, IAEA and OPANAL?
On July 10, Brazilian President Inácio Lula da Silva announced his intention to fulfill one of the Brazilian Navy's ultimate dreams: to launch a nuclear-powered submarine. This idea was originally hatched during the era of military rule from the 1960s to 1980s but floundered due to a lack of funds and priority status. It has resurfaced at a time when there are disturbing signs that much of the subcontinent may be falling into an unintentional arms race. Criticism is mounting both within and outside of Brazil regarding whether it would be wise for the nation to go ahead with this plan, and what does this say about the Lula presidency. Will it deed itself over to engaging in rhetorical vertigo about the need to become one of the world's dominant sea powers, rather than come forth with a sober naval expansion programthat will not break the bank and nor ignite an arms race.

As the international community tries to blunt North Korea's and Iran's nuclear ambitions, Brazil (long rumored to be readying a campaign to launch an all-embracing effort to obtain a permanent seat on the United Nations' Security Council), has put forth a plan to construct a nuclear-powered submarine by 2015. What is alarming about this situation is that Brazil's decision could risk having a destabilizing impact on the hemisphere because it doesn't factor in the grave consequences it could possibly generate.

Brazil's Nuclear History
The genesis of Brazil's nuclear ambitions can be traced back to the 1960s, a time when military governments were a plague on the hemisphere, with the South American giant being, if anything, a pathfinder for this process. Nevertheless, the Brazilian military junta that ruled from 1964-1985 never managed to come up with concrete plans to construct such a super-sophisticated weapon as a nuclear-powered submarine. According to an AP story, the navy's nuclear program, which actually had begun in 1979, already had mastered part of the uranium enrichment process, but it had lagged in developing and constructing a reactor entirely from Brazilian technology, according to Navy Admiral Julio Soares de Moura Neto. A July filing by Deutsch Presse-Agenteur revealed that the nuclear submarine project was part of a 1975 agreement between Brasilia and the then-Western German government in Bonn.

Meanwhile, it should be noted that in a recent article, in the Latin American Weekly Report, Brazil was found to be far behind other regional countries in terms of its budgetary support for its armed forces: "Brazil's armed forces are now far behind, by any aspect of comparison apart from troop numbers, the armed forces of Chile, Peru, and Venezuela." This obviously begs the question regarding what will happen to the country's security if Lula decides to allocate the country's scant economic resources not to a balanced force but for an expensive and glamorous weapon, which will further neglect the people's direct social welfare needs.

During the period of military rule, Brazil's neighbor Argentina (if anything, was under a far more draconic military regime), was also heatedly developing a comparable nuclear program at its remote facility near Bariloche, Argentina. A Spring 1981 Foreign Affairs article by Gerard Smith (Chief of the U.S. Delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitations Talks [SALT] from 1969 to 1972) and George Rathjens (a Professor of Political Science at MIT) discussed nuclear non-proliferation, touching on Latin America. The article mentions the Brazilian-Argentine nuclear arms race which thought to exist at the time, explaining that "despite U.S. pressures and the expenditure of considerable political capital, the Federal Republic of Germany insisted on going ahead with its previous commitments to assist Brazil in acquiring reprocessing and enrichment facilities. And the FRG and Switzerland have recently agreed to provide Argentina with a power reactor and a heavy-water plant."

Ironically, Lula protested the construction of the nuclear submarine during the military regime, at a time when he was a fiery union leader with solid leftist credentials, protesting that the country had more important needs for its citizens than something so expensive. It seems that Lula, along with new obsessions, has had a dramatic change of heart.

Lula Revives Nuclear Plans
To the surprise of many, whose knowledge of Lula's value system was formed in the past and who now have come to see him as a parody of the ethical code to which he once so passionately subscribed, the Brazilian leader now emphasizes his intention to pursue his military predecessors' nuclear ambitions. He plans to have the submarine operating by 2015. A July 11 wire story by Agence France Presse quotes the Brazilian president as saying during a visit to the Brazilian navy's Technological Center in Sao Paulo, "Brazil could rank among those few nations in the world with a command of uranium enrichment technology, and I think we will be more highly valued as a nation -- as the power we wish to be." There in essence, is the new Brazil that Lula ululates over; he has been transformed into a different kind of author with a vastly different script than the one he once daily honored as the leader of the metallurgical union in the Sao Paulo industrial belt.

Lula's references raise several very revealing insights into the nuclear submarine project. Among them are: will it be constructed solely by Brazilian scientists and technicians? Or will scientists by recruited from abroad as consultants? Does the Brazilian navy possess the necessary skill to design, construct, test and operate a vessel which goes far beyond the admirable design and construction technological capacity it has evinced up to now, even after factoring in all of Brazil's engineering successes and its commercial triumphs in the fields of aircraft and weaponry fabrication? Will the crew be sent abroad to gain training on how to operate this kind of super-sophisticated equipment? What kind of design principles will the submarine feature?Will it be a replication of another country's nuclear submarines or will it be a totally new concept?

While Lula appears to be particularly jaunty when it comes to referring to the submarine, other Brazilians tend to be desperate, according to O Estado, as cited by the Latin American Weekly Report: "'For a long time the government has abandoned the armed forces to its own luck, in a display of disinterest in national defense and the way of life of Brazilians.' The newspaper goes on to say that the pitiable situation of Brazil's armed forces 'does not match the ambitions' of President Lula da Silva to lead South America in an 'increasingly instable regional strategic environment.'"
O Estado zeroes in on the restless musings now taking place in the Brazilian armed forces: "Two-thirds of the air force's planes are grounded due to lack of replacement parts. The air force does not have any medium-range-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, attack helicopters or the so-called 'intelligent bombs' which are part of the equiptment of its Chilean, Peruvian and Venezuelan counterparts. Furthermore, only half of the navy's combat ships are fit for their intended purpose. In the army the situation is no different. There is no money for ammunition, Brazilian tanks are all secondhand and most over 30 years old." Does this sound like a country that could spend almost a billion dollars on nuclear submarine project, which will do nothing to upgrade or modernize the rest of the fleet?

The Brazilian president also is saying that his government will complete the long-suspended Angra III nuclear plant in Rio de Janeiro state. "We will complete Angra III, and if necessary, we'll go on to build more (nuclear plants) because it is clean energy and now proven to be safe," Lula went on to note that the plant will cost 3.5 billion dollars over five and a half years. But he did not mention the nuclear waste disposal issue which has been bedeviling Washington in recent years and still defies easy solution, as seen in the feral Yucca Mountain dispute. Going Nuclear All the Way
A June article by Nuclear Engineering International explains that Brazil has always strived for self-sufficiency in nuclear power, but the ambitious plans of the 1970s were never fully realized, leaving Brazil with just Angra I & II and the equipment and technical skills required for a third, all to be sited at Angra Dos Reis in Rio de Janeiro state. The construction of Angra III was originally contracted out to the German firm KraftwerkUnion (KWU), now part of Siemens, which was taken over by Framatome ANP (now Areva). At the end of 2001, Brazil's National Energy Policy Council (CNPE) was asked to make recommendations on Angra III and was authorized to take the preliminary steps to restart the project, with Lula ultimately deciding to go ahead with it. Brazil's two operating nuclear plants, Angra I and Angra II, have an installed capacity of about 2,000 megawatts. Angra III would raise its capacity to 3,300 megawatts, at an estimated cost of about US$3.6 billion (euro2.6 billion). According to several costing engineers, they would be surprised if the plant construction didn't come in at least 50 percent higher than the current estimated figure, with the same being true of the projected costs for the submarine.

An October 2004 article in Science by Liz Palmer, entitled "Brazil's Nuclear Puzzle" reported that in 2004 Brazil had plans for a uranium enrichment plant, which, it if configured to do so, could fuel several nuclear weapons annually. It went on to explain that "Brazil has pledged to enrich its uranium to only 3.5% 235U, the concentration required by its two power reactors. This would be too weak to fuel a bomb, which typically requires a concentration of 90% or above. If Brazil should, however, change its mind, its stockpile of uranium already enriched to 3.5 or 5% will have received more than half the work needed to bring it to weapon grade. This would confer what is known as "breakout capability" — the power to make nuclear weapons before the world can react, rendering it a fait accompli. Such a capacity is what the United States and some European countries fear Iran is aiming at."


While it is true that Brazil wants to build a nuclear submarine, not a nuclear weapon, the feeling remains that Brazil has the potential to become a global nuclear power incrementally rather than spontaneously, if it chose to do so at all. It certainly has the resources and the personnel to carry out nuclear projects, and if you take Lula's words to heart, he also seems to have the will. But the greatest source of energy currently fueling Brazil's nuclear dream does not derive from nuclear fission as much as it comes from Brazil's growing sense of ultimate grandeur—that it is destined to be a superpower this century, as well as belonge to the nuclear club, which could help the country's image.

And who is the amiable Jingoist stoking the line of Brazil über alles—well, no other than Lula. Yet there is still another chapter to the Brazilian story, and that consists of the megalithic corruption that infuses every cranny of the nation's public life, the inefficiency, the hypocrisy, the environment chicanery and the unspeakable violence of both the common street crime and their prosecutors, and the drug-trafficking mafia that renders Brazil a hellish state in which to reside, if you are not well to do and strategically positioned.

Interestingly, on June 8 there was an article in the International Herald Tribune about the Russian nuclear power company, Atomstroyexport (a former branch of the Soviet atomic energy ministry) and how Russia is becoming an important exporter of nuclear energy and engineering skills. The article explains how the company is currently constructing reactors in countries like China, India and Bulgaria. The core of the article is based on declarations by Sergei Shmatko, chief executive of Atomstroyexport. The business executive speaks of a "nuclear renaissance, with Moscow emerging as a global exporter of nuclear technology for developing nations. He added that his company is already producing a new design for emerging markets; it has a line of mini-reactors more typical of the power plants required for nuclear submarines or ice breakers, then ostensibly for nuclear power plants. Moscow already has proven that it has very few qualms about exporting military technology, as exemplified by the multi-billion dollar deals with Venezuela over the past couple of years, even though it hasn't quite overtaken the U.S. as a world leader in the export of weaponry. It is only logical to assume that the Kremlin would be more than willing to provide a nuclear reactor to Brazil for its nuclear submarine if Brasilia has the money for it. And, as Lula boasts, Brazil has the cash, even though his admirers and generals claim that only penury is to be found in the Palácio da Alvorada.

A Nuclear Brazil: Is this Wise?
Lula appears to be resorting to the traditional waving of the "bloody flag of nationalism" in order to increase his personal popularity and confirm the support of the nation's powerful military establishment, although all is not sound here, and his efforts at placating it are probably doomed to not be enough. This call to arms comes at a time when his administration has been sent reeling by almost daily corruption scandals in his political party and administration. In the latest round of nationwide discontent, landless workers blocked an iron ore railway (with ore being a key ingredient for the production of steel) owned by Companhia Vale do Rio Doce SA. The company claims only 300 individuals protested, while the Landless Workers Movement insists they were as many as 2,600, according to the Associated Press.

Lula's critics insist that, instead of allocating hundreds of millions of dollars to a nuclear submarine program, why not address the multiple social problems pressing Brazil? These include environmental and anti-poverty initiatives to constructively impact Brazil's current social ills. Instead, Lula has decided to turn to acquiring a trophy military weapon that couldn't be less relevant to Brazil's immediate future as a great nation and Latin America's current concerns. But this could be unwise and will only further provoke regional tensions. Among others, one must wonder what will be the reaction in Buenos Aires, with an Argentine military still nursing its wounds over its defeat in the Falklands. If Brazil's nuclear submarine actually becomes operational, might this immediately invoke the concerns of the Argentine navy? One might reply that during that conflict with Britain, the Argentine cruiser ARA General Belgrano was doomed by the U.K.'s nuclear-powered submarine, HMS Conqueror. The Belgrano was the second largest ship in the Argentine navy at the time and was sunk by two Tigerfish torpedoes from the Conqueror, killing 323 sailors. This was a critical point in the war as it proved to the Argentine navy that it could not compete against a modern British fleet, including its nuclear submarine. What will the Argentine navy have to say about Brazil obtaining a nuclear submarine of its own?

Finally, it is still illogical that Brazil's decision-makers even think for a moment that the nation must have its submarine. The sub-continent, in spite of the arms race it has experience in recent years, has not had an major inter-state war since the Peruvian-Ecuadorian border conflict in 1941. Brazil fought a war against Argentina in the 1820s when Argentina was known as the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata. The last armed conflict (not counting its involvement in World War II) in which Brazil fought was the War of the Triple Alliance when it allied itself with Uruguay and Argentina against Paraguay from 1864 to 1870. If anything, Brazil's security threats today come more from drug cartels, the possible infiltration of the Colombian guerrillas known as the FARC into its territory, and the widespread occurrence of gang violence, than from Argentina or Paraguay (a landlocked border country)

Military Politics
By deciding to build a nuclear submarine, Lula is reviving the old dreams of the Brazilian military. At the same time, he has certainly given reason to the Argentine navy to push for even a bigger defense budget at a time when the country is still recuperating from the 2001 economic meltdown. Both the Brazilian and Argentine security forces have dark pasts that have sullied their countries' good names. The possession of a nuclear submarine might provide both militaries with an increased status that would be prejudicial to the two countries' still not completely stabilized democracies, but might equip them with a sense of arrogance to question their subordination to civilian rule.

It is ironic that Lula has declared his intention to build a nuclear submarine. While he was a union leader before becoming president, Lula had protested against such nuclear aspirations, but it seems he has now had a change of heart. Why has this occurred? Can this be explained by the growing pressure being mounted against Lula from the country's military, which never has quite regained the self-esteem it had when it ruled the country with an absolutist style? According to a report by the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, Lula has emphasized repeatedly that he sees the use of nuclear power as a source of energy as a bread and butter issue for his administration, and that down the road such addicting power will be essential to meet the country's energy requirements; according to estimates, building the nuclear submarine will cost an annual disbursement of $68 million dollars per year over eight years, so it will be ready (ideally) not before 2015. But officials close to the defense establishment claim that any figure less than $1 billion dollars would be falsely optimistic. Curiously, the aspiration to acquire a nuclear submarine comes at a time when the Brazilian military is going through a process of upgrading its conventional equipment. During a September trip to Spain, in spite of the obvious disenchantment felt by many of Lula's senior military colleagues over the poor state of affairs of Brazil's Armed Forces, Lula told the Spanish daily El País "in the 1970s, we had modern factories that built tanks […] But they have been dismantled. Brazil must return to what it had. To rebuild our weaponry factories, we must buy." According to various reports, Brazil plans to raise military spending by 50 percent next year and is planning to modernize its conventional submarines, build missiles in cooperation with South Africa and purchase second-hand aircraft.

The Armed Forces View of the Project
Logically, it would seem that Lula should have the enthusiastic backing of the Brazilian military establishment for his drive to acquire the submarine. But this is not necessarily the case. On October 13, an article in the Brazilian daily Correio Braziliense focused on declarations by General Barros Moreira, a former commander of the War College (Brazil's military intelligence service) who currently serves as head of the Political, Strategic and International Relations Secretariat at the Defense Ministry. On the question of the nuclear submarine, General Moreira declared: "What is going to happen to a country where 95 percent of international trade takes place by sea? And our oil, where is it? If we had a nuclear submarine, we would be more secure. If the Argentine navy had had a nuclear submarine, England would not have attacked during the Falklands conflict. A peaceful country such as ours, that has no intention of attacking anyone, has every right to defend itself, because it is growing increasingly richer and more tempting" Of course, it remains somewhat obscure as to which country, if any, would be inclined to attack Brazil, no matter how tempting its resources may be. Opponents of the nuclear submarine and the nuclear plant programs include Lula's Environment Minister Marina Silva. The minister declared that "in the last 15 years, no country has built nuclear power plants because of the problems with the waste […] We have other sources of power: a great potential in hydroelectric, and clean energies in which we should invest." In addition, the construction of the Angra 3 power plant is potentially dangerous because it is located in the state of Rio de Janeiro, near a natural reserve, where the soil is unstable and has included a history of landslides. Angra already was a subject of considerable controversy because of a flawed geological survey which was originally done on the site, which did not include problems with existing faults that should have been ventilated in public discussion. Lula has ruled out solar or wind plants, arguing that they are more expensive than a nuclear plant.

Taking the Arms Race to the Next Level
Brazil's renewed coveting of a nuclear submarine comes at a time when the sub-region is already moving towards an arms race. Among other regional countries, Venezuela and Chile are engaged in major military purchases. Most recently, Venezuela has ordered the purchase of five Kilo-636 submarines from Russia. Peru has contracted a number of naval purchases a couple of years ago during the Alejandro Toledo administration, including the purchase of four Lupo-class frigates from Italy. Last year, Bolivian president Evo Morales declared his plans to build a number of military outposts, with Venezuela's help to parallel Bolivia's borders, including installations facing its border with Brazil. It is unlikely that other countries, including Argentina, will not feel compelled to follow suit at some point in the near future, as a result of pressure coming from its own armed forces.

With Brazil's neighbors now interested in increasing their own military capability, Brasilia arms specialists claim that the country has adopted a specific posture on its prospective acquisition of a nuclear submarine that, from a strategic point of view, would give it a definite advantage over potential attackers when it comes to naval warfare, even though the strategy could be seen as being somewhat provocative.

An additional issue regarding Brazil's nuclear submarine has to do with the de facto violation of the spirit, or even the letter of the Treaty of Tlatelolco. Signed in 1967 and entered into force in 1969, the Treaty was drafted in Mexico City to make Latin America and the Caribbean into a nuclear-free zone. Brazil is also a signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It seems clear that obligations to these treaty regimes would seem to present some problems for Lula's ambitious plans to have his submarine fleet go nuclear.

And Washington's Reaction is….
At a time when the drums of war are beating regarding Washington's tough stand against Iran's nuclear ambitions, and while negotiations continue with North Korea on comparable subjects, how will Washington policy makers react to Brazil possessing a nuclear-powered submarine?

In 1991, Presidents Fernando Collor of Brazil and Carlos Menem of Argentina signed an accord with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna that provided for IAEA inspection of their respective nuclear programs. At the time, the U.S. State Department praised the decision by both leaders, by issuing a statement issued on December 13, 1991 saying that: "The two South American Presidents have demonstrated exceptional statesmanship in moving to free their continent from the risk of nuclear weapons proliferation." What will the State Department say now?

Other institutions that have yet to declare themselves about Brazil's plans include the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the Agency for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean (OPANAL), based in Mexico City. Also of note, the other members of the India-Brazil-South Africa Dialogue Forum (IBSA), who have or have had nuclear ambitions of their own in the past and present, might come to Brazil's defense in terms of justifying its acquisition, even though as one of the newest cross-continental alliances, it has yet to play a large role in the process or come out conclusively for or against Brazil's nuclear plans.

The Nuclear Nightmare
It could be persuasively argued that Brazil's proposed nuclear submarine is an imprudent foreign policy move for Brazil to take. Conventional weaponry, in addition to the country's geography, which features broad land buffers, should serve, as they have in the past, as a sufficient deterrent to dissuade other countries from attacking Brazil under any conceivable scenario. Some unkind soul might even accuse Lula of engaging in a good deal of hypocrisy for considering to carry out the plans that basically echo the aspirations of the military junta which was responsible for numerous human rights abuses when it held power and which Lula himself once fiercely opposed. Brazil is regionally and globally respected and would be the natural Latin America representative in the UN Security Council should it ever be reformed and expanded. In addition the country is presently besieged by a host of domestic problems, including widespread criminal violence and drug trafficking, aside from increasing gang warfare. With all of this on its plate, does it really need a submarine?

This analysis was prepared by COHA Research Fellow Alex Sánchez
October 26th, 2007



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Meanwhile, it should be noted that in a recent article, in the Latin American Weekly Report, Brazil was found to be far behind other regional countries in terms of its budgetary support for its armed forces: "Brazil's armed forces are now far behind, by any aspect of comparison apart from troop numbers, the armed forces of Chile, Peru, and Venezuela." This obviously begs the question regarding what will happen to the country's security if Lula decides to allocate the country's scant economic resources not to a balanced force but for an expensive and glamorous weapon, which will further neglect the people's direct social welfare needs.
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« Resposta #3 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 07:18:03 »
Em outras palavras, será que os Estados Unidos precisam que a gente domine tecnologia nuclear - submarino não obstante? Desculpem-me se fico cético com relação aos motivos por trás dessa análise.

De outra forma, concordo que é preciso não deixar a reestruturação da Defesa virar oba-oba.

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #4 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 07:42:35 »
Em outras palavras, será que os Estados Unidos precisam que a gente domine tecnologia nuclear - submarino não obstante? Desculpem-me se fico cético com relação aos motivos por trás dessa análise.

De outra forma, concordo que é preciso não deixar a reestruturação da Defesa virar oba-oba.

bom, ao que eu saiba, o autor da análise é independente. mas por uma questão de coerência os eua deveriam condenar iniciativas nucleares nossas. não é o que fez, no entanto, em relação à índia...
de qualquer forma, aliado ou não, um vizinho nuclear é tudo que se menos quer.
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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #5 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 08:04:28 »
depois de acabar com a indústria militar brasileira a gente resolve trazer ela de novo?


Depois de acabar com a indústria militar brasileira , estão preocupados com o Chavez se armando até os dentes ou ...
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« Resposta #6 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 09:28:04 »
Independente, mas cheio daquela conversa de "a gente pode, os outros não". Tô fora...

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #7 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 10:44:53 »
Ainda acho o orçamento ridículo. O submarino atômico também já é ultrapassado.

O Brasil precisa, urgentemente, de caças de última geração (talvez para atirar nas plataformas de petróleo da Venezuela).

Além de que, acho que deveríamos investir pesado no desenvolvimento de mísseis intecontinentais que podem ser desenvolvidos em paralelo com foguetes espaciais. (Talvez para atirar na Venezuela de longe).

 
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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #8 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 10:49:09 »
Nesse ponto sou contrário (como, de resto, sou contrário ao submarino atômico). Devemos continuar investindo em tecnologia nuclear e espacial porque o futuro está nessas áreas. Devemos modernizar e reequipar o exército para patrulhar melhor nossas fronteiras.

O que eu não gosto é dos EUA se metendo na nossa política de energia e de pesquisa.

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #9 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 16:40:40 »
O submarino atômico também já é ultrapassado.

Por quê?

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O Brasil precisa, urgentemente, de caças de última geração


P/ isso o Projeto FX foi alterado.

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(talvez para atirar nas plataformas de petróleo da Venezuela).

Estilo Saddam Hussein? Atacar os vizinhos e incendiar tudo na hora da retirada?

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Além de que, acho que deveríamos investir pesado no desenvolvimento de mísseis intecontinentais que podem ser desenvolvidos em paralelo com foguetes espaciais.

Tendo a tecnologia de foguetes espaciais, já se tem a de mísseis intercontinentais quase que automaticamente. Não seriam necessários dois programas.

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #10 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 18:18:19 »
Brasil alimenta corrida armamentista na AL, diz jornal
 
O Brasil faz parte dos países latino-americanos que alimentam uma nova corrida armamentista na região, afirma nesta terça-feira uma reportagem do jornal argentino Clarín.

O diário de Buenos Aires dedica dois textos à analise do que chama de "indícios de uma incipiente corrida armamentista na América Latina", incluindo a duplicação do gasto militar brasileiro.

Por trás do aumento das despesas com armas está um desejo dos militares brasileiros de recuperar um "atraso militar" em relação aos países vizinhos, afirma a correspondente do jornal no Brasil.

"O plano é aumentar o potencial militar brasileiro de ‘dissuasão’ e, ao mesmo tempo, vincular o rearmamento ao desenvolvimento da indústria nacional", afirma a repórter.

"Isto explica que o novo orçamento militar seja o mais generoso entre os já enviados (ao Congresso) durante os cinco anos de Presidência de Lula."

Citado na matéria, o ministro da Defesa, Nelson Jobim, diz que o Brasil não tem planos "expansionistas". O Clarín nota ainda que o rearmamento do país encontra apoio consensual entre partidários de todo o espectro político, da direita à esquerda.

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Em uma análise regional, o diário argentino contextualiza a elevação do gasto militar brasileiro. Diz que o país está ao lado de Venezuela, Colômbia e Chile como um dos países que alimentam a corrida armamentista na região.

Um estudo de 2005 citado pelo jornal diz que o Chile liderou a corrida naquele ano, gastando US$ 2,78 bilhões em despesas militares, seguido pela Venezuela (US$ 2,2 bilhões) e o Brasil (US$ 1,34 bilhão).

"A Venezuela, que comprou desde aviões de combate até submarinos – invocando o risco de uma intervenção militar dos Estados Unidos – é o caso mais citado, mas não o único nem o menor", escreve o analista do Clarín.

"A sobrevivência de antigos conflitos não-resolvidos na região faz pensar que o país poderia resistir à tentação de se rearmar se um ou mais vizinhos o fizer."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/reporterbbc/story/2007/10/071030_pressreviewpu.shtml

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #11 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 20:53:43 »
Independente, mas cheio daquela conversa de "a gente pode, os outros não". Tô fora...

hm, nem tanto. desde que assinaram os tratado de não proliferação, acho que os eua não construíram nenhuma nova ogiva. tá mais pra "a índia pode, a gente não".

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O que eu não gosto é dos EUA se metendo na nossa política de energia e de pesquisa.
o que surpreende é que eles não tenham se metido...
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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #12 Online: 30 de Outubro de 2007, 21:40:29 »
O brasil não faz uma estrada decente de São Paulo a Porto Alegre e quer fazer submarino nuclear. Santa mania de grandeza! E por falar nisso, no próximo pronunciamento Lula vai descer do cavalo branco vestido de Napoleão; a fantasia de pirata tá ficando manjada.

Não falta gente pra dizer que a indústria brasileira tá modernizando seu parque... de diversões. Olha só como é fácil fazer piada: basta ler o noticiário. É ruim morar aqui, mas até que é divertido...
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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #13 Online: 01 de Novembro de 2007, 10:18:55 »
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Moscú.- Los contratos de venta de armamento ruso a Venezuela suman ya 4.000 millones de dólares y Moscú espera en pocos años duplicar o triplicar esa cifra, afirmó hoy Serguéi Ladiguin, de la exportadora estatal de armas Rosoboronexport.

Con Venezuela "ya tenemos contratos por 4.000 millones de dólares y podemos afirmar que, como mínimo, duplicaremos o triplicaremos esa suma", dijo el funcionario en unas declaraciones a la televisión rusa desde Caracas, donde asiste a las labores de la comisión bilateral de cooperación, indicó Efe.

Ladiguin precisó que Rusia y Venezuela preparan ahora contratos de suministro de buques, aviones de guerra y helicópteros de combate, así como de diversos tipos de armamento para el Ejército de Tierra, según la agencia Interfax.

Recordó que Moscú ya suministra a Caracas cazas Su-30, varios tipos de helicópteros de combate y de transporte, y fusiles automáticos Kalashnikov, y que construirá en Venezuela tres fábricas militares: una de esos fusiles, otra de municiones y otra más para el mantenimiento y reparación de helicópteros.

En los últimos años Venezuela ha comprado a Rusia numeroso armamento, incluidos 24 cazas Su-30MK, 50 helicópteros de combate y de transporte, sistemas de defensa aérea Tor-M1 y 100.000 fusiles automáticos Kalashnikov.

Además, las navieras rusas ofrecen al país latinoamericano lanchas patrulla "Mirazh", lanchas de desembarco "Murena-E", helicópteros de cubierta "Kamov" y sistemas costeros de misiles capaces de alcanzar objetivos situados entre 7 y 130 kilómetros.

Ladiguin confirmó el interés de Rosoboronexport en afianzar sus posiciones en el mercado de armas latinoamericano.

"Consideramos que nuestra compañía puede ofrecer mucho a América Latina, en particular entregar determinadas tecnologías y suministrar diversos equipos, no solo militares", puntualizó.



http://www.defesanet.com.br/al1/ven_arms_8.htm

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #14 Online: 01 de Novembro de 2007, 10:41:51 »
Só agora eu vi isso .

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Jobim estuda aumento de até 35% para militares

Publicada em 31/10/2007 às 16h48m
Reuters

BRASÍLIA - O ministro da Defesa, Nelson Jobim, disse nesta quarta-feira que quer aumentar o número de militares brasileiros no Haiti e que o governo estuda um aumento de até 35% aos militares, que se aplicaria de forma escalonada. Durante audiência em uma comissão da Câmara dos Deputados, o ministro afirmou ainda que no primeiro semestre de 2008 iniciará um trabalho de "diplomacia militar" com os países sul-americanos, para trocar informações sobre a situação do setor de defesa na região.

- Minha posição é que se deve aumentar os efetivos no Haiti para colaborar com a reconstrução (do país caribenho) - disse Jobim.

Cerca de 1.200 militares brasileiros integram a missão de paz da Organização das Nações Unidas no Haiti, país mais pobre da América, onde também há militares argentinos, chilenos, uruguaios, entre outros.

A ONU renovou em outubro por um ano o mandato de sua força de paz, que tem conseguido conter a ação de grupos violentos que controlavam os bairros mais miseráveis do país.

Ao ser questionado sobre as volumosas compras de armamento do presidente venezuelano, Hugo Chávez, Jobim disse que "se a Venezuela está ou não comprando armamento é um problema dela", negando qualquer possibilidade de corrida armamentista com esse país.

Após a audiência, Jobim comentou a saída de Milton Zuanazzi, seu notório desafeto, da presidência da Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac). Segundo ele, houve uma discordância de metodologia de trabalho. O ministro enfatizou que, para o Ministério da Defesa, a segurança é o ponto principal da agenda do setor aéreo, ao lado de regularidade e pontualidade dos vôos:

- O senhor Milton Zuanazzi disse que não gostaria de trabalhar comigo e, efetivamente, não deverá trabalhar, tendo em vista o trinômio que eu afirmo: segurança, regularidade, pontualidade. Se esse trinômio não serve, não serve o trabalho e nós viramos a página - afirmou o ministro.


http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2007/10/31/326974459.asp

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Re: A nova política de defesa
« Resposta #15 Online: 02 de Novembro de 2007, 09:12:06 »
Independente, mas cheio daquela conversa de "a gente pode, os outros não". Tô fora...

hm, nem tanto. desde que assinaram os tratado de não proliferação, acho que os eua não construíram nenhuma nova ogiva. tá mais pra "a índia pode, a gente não".

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O que eu não gosto é dos EUA se metendo na nossa política de energia e de pesquisa.
o que surpreende é que eles não tenham se metido...

Parece que me lembro de terem se metido sim, com ajuda da ONU, quando queriam porque queriam que revelássemos as tais centrífugas novas para enriquecer urânio. Eu reconheço que é preciso ser cauteloso neste campo - também não quero um Brasil com armas nucleares - mas tampouco via necessidade de divulgar tecnologia nacional enquanto todo mundo faz segredo da sua.

De resto, é ponto pacífico que quanto mais gente dominar o ciclo nuclear, mais complexo se torna o xadrez geopolítico. Se eu estivesse no topo do mundo também não ia gostar.

 

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