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The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
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The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
by Michael Shermer

Empiricism is the deepest and broadest principle for explaining the most phenomena in both the natural and social worlds. Empiricism is the principle that we should see for ourselves instead of trusting the authority of others. Empiricism is the foundation of science, as the words of the motto of the Royal Society of London—the first scientific institution—so note: Nullius in Verba—Take nobody's word for it.

Galileo took nobody's word for it. According to Aristotelian cosmology—the Catholic Church's final and indisputable authority of Truth on matters heavenly—all objects in space must be perfectly round, perfectly smooth, and revolve around Earth in perfectly circular orbits. Yet when Galileo looked for himself through his tiny tube with a refracting lens on one end and an enlarging eyepiece on the other he saw mountains on the moon, spots on the sun, phases of Venus, moons orbiting Jupiter, and a strange object around Saturn. Galileo's eminent astronomer colleague at the University of Padua, Cesare Cremonini, was so committed to Aristotelian cosmology that he refused to even look through the tube, proclaiming: "I don't believe that anyone but he saw them, and besides, looking through glasses would make me dizzy." Those who did look through Galileo's tube could not believe their eyes—literally. One of Galileo's colleagues reported that the instrument worked for terrestrial viewing but not celestial, because "I tested this instrument of Galileo's in a thousand ways, both on things here below and on those above. Below, it works wonderfully; in the sky it deceives one." A professor of mathematics at the Collegio Romano was convinced that Galileo had put the four moons of Jupiter inside the tube. Galileo was apoplectic: "As I wished to show the satellites of Jupiter to the Professors in Florence, they would see neither them nor the telescope. These people believe there is no truth to seek in nature, but only in the comparison of texts."

By looking for themselves Galileo, Kepler, Newton and others launched the Scientific Revolution, which in the Enlightenment led scholars to apply the principle of empiricism to the social as well as the natural world. The great political philosopher Thomas Hobbes, for example, fancied himself as the Galileo and William Harvey of society: "Galileus…was the first that opened to us the gate of natural philosophy universal, which is the knowledge of the nature of motion. … The science of man's body, the most profitable part of natural science, was first discovered with admirable sagacity by our countryman, Doctor Harvey. Natural philosophy is therefore but young; but civil philosophy is yet much younger, as being no older…than my own de Cive."

From the Scientific Revolution through the Enlightenment the principle of empiricism slowly but ineluctably replaced superstition, dogmatism, and religious authority. Instead of divining truth through the authority of an ancient holy book or philosophical treatise, people began to explore the book of nature for themselves.

Instead of looking at illustrations in illuminated botanical books scholars went out into nature to see what was actually growing out of the ground.

Instead of relying on the woodcuts of dissected bodies in old medical texts, physicians opened bodies themselves to see with their own eyes what was there.

Instead of burning witches after considering the spectral evidence as outlined in the Malleus Maleficarum—the authoritative book of witch hunting—jurists began to consider other forms of more reliable evidence before convicting someone of a crime.

Instead of a tiny handful of elites holding most of the political power by keeping their citizens illiterate, uneducated, and unenlightened, through science, literacy, and education people could see for themselves the power and corruption that held them down and began to throw off their chains of bondage and demand rights.

Instead of the divine right of kings people demanded the natural right of democracy. Democratic elections, in this sense, are scientific experiments: every couple of years you carefully alter the variables with an election and observe the results. Many of the founding fathers of the United States, in fact, were scientists who deliberately adapted the method of data gathering, hypothesis testing, and theory formation to their nation building. Their understanding of the provisional nature of findings led them to form a social system wherein empiricism was the centerpiece of a functional polity. The new government was like a scientific laboratory conducting a series of experiments year by year, state by state. The point was not to promote this or that political system, but to set up a system whereby people could experiment to see what works. That is the principle of empiricism applied to the social world.

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1804: "No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth."

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #1 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 21:29:01 »
O texto é excelente, mas não vai demorar muito para aparecer alguém citando-o como muleta para justificar e fortalecer evidências anedóticas como verdades que devem ser levadas a sério.
Brandolini's Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: "The amount of effort necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it".

Pavlov probably thought about feeding his dogs every time someone rang a bell.

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #2 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 21:44:01 »
lembra nosso amigo que via isso



e dizia que sim a foto era verdadeira?
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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #3 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 21:49:54 »
Sim, claro, daí a minha observação e uma conclusão simples: Alguns textos com perspectiva cética, como esse do Michael Shermer podem ser distorcidos fora de um contexto de discussão cética. Esse mesmo texto poderia fazer sucesso num fórum espirita, por exemplo.
Brandolini's Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: "The amount of effort necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it".

Pavlov probably thought about feeding his dogs every time someone rang a bell.

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #4 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:18:19 »
essa foto é meio o caso da Luneta apresentado no texto
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #5 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:32:31 »
É bom lembrar que Galileu não tinha uma teoria de como o telescópio funciona. Isto abria margem para duvidar da sua veracidade, por mais que funcionasse bem para objetos terrestres.

E ninguém diria que o empirismo é a fundação da ciência após Popper. Mas no final do texto ele corrige um pouco isso.

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #6 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:39:41 »
mas ele mostrou que as coisas abaixo do céu são como a Luneta mostra, pois podiam chegar mais próximos e verificar por si mesmos.

Seus oponentes criaram um ad hoc: funciona na terra mas não no céu.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #7 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:45:00 »
Que, como ele não tinha uma teoria de como o telescópio funciona, ele não poderia negar. Na época, se não me engano, sequer acreditavam que a matéria das estrelas era a mesma daqui.

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #8 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:48:18 »
Não concordo.

Quem deveria mostrar uma hipótese para o porquê do não funcionamento do telescópio em um ambiente específico são seus opositores.

Tipo, eu tenho uma luz. Ela ilumina essa sala.
Opositor: Mas não ilumina uma sala no topo da montanha

“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #9 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 22:55:33 »
Não concordo.

Quem deveria mostrar uma hipótese para o porquê do não funcionamento do telescópio em um ambiente específico são seus opositores.

Tipo, eu tenho uma luz. Ela ilumina essa sala.
Opositor: Mas não ilumina uma sala no topo da montanha



Opositores ou inquisidores? Galileu quase teve o destino de Giordano Bruno, foi por pouco.
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Brandolini's Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: "The amount of effort necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it".

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Re:The Principle of Empiricism, or See For Yourself
« Resposta #10 Online: 19 de Janeiro de 2012, 23:09:16 »
Como você disse, é uma hipótese candidata a ser ad hoc. Só seria se ela não trouxesse nenhuma situação onde pudesse ser falseada. Mas para tal é necessário uma teoria de como o telescópio funciona: se não, não há como formular uma hipótese do porquê a luz da matéria nas estrelas não correspondem à luz real (lembrando que, na época, não havia sido demonstrado que a matéria lá era a mesma daqui. poderia, portanto, emitir uma luz diferente e que reagisse de forma diferente).

É só uma idéia, louquinha, mas digo ela para afirmar que não são tolos os que duvidam de experiências assim, do nada. Elas têm que fazer parte de um todo coerente e tudo o mais.

Empirismo não é a única pedra fundamental da ciência.

 

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