Tópico: Golpe na Tailândia

[Derfel]

Os políticos mais estúpidos dos EUA estão no Tea Party. Sharron Angle, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Steve King, Herman Cain, Louie Gohmert, etc.

Ok, tinha perguntado porque acho que o Derfel joga Ron Paul no mesmo barco do Tea Party.

Não o conheço (mesmo porque não acompanho política dos EUA), mas pelo que li não só joga como é uma inspiração para o movimento.

Wagner serviu de inspiração para os temas musicais nazistas mas ele nunca foi um crápula.

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Paul was the first chairman of the conservative PAC Citizens for a Sound Economy[2] and has been characterized as the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party movement.
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In 1984, Paul became the first chairman of the Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE),[2] a conservative political group founded by David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." CSE founded the Tea Party movement in 2002,[33] but it did not catch on. In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy split into two new organizations, with Citizens for a Sound Economy being renamed as FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation becoming Americans for Prosperity. The two organizations would become key players in the Tea Party movement from 2009 onward.
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Beginning in 1978, for more than two decades Paul and his associates published a number of political and investment-oriented newsletters bearing his name (Dr. Ron Paul's Freedom Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, the Ron Paul Investment Letter, and the Ron Paul Political Report).[184] By 1993, a business through which Paul was publishing the newsletters was earning in excess of $900,000 per year.[184]
A number of the newsletters, particularly in the period between 1988 and 1994 when Paul was no longer in Congress, contained material that later proved highly controversial, dwelling on conspiracy theories, praising anti-government militia movements, and warning of coming race wars.[184][185] During Paul's 1996 congressional election campaign, and his 2008 and 2012 presidential primary campaigns, critics charged that some of the passages reflected racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic bigotry.[19][186][187][188][189][190][191]
The newsletters included statements such as:
"...I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in [Washington, DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."[186]
"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day!" (February 1990: "The Coming Race War")[184]
"An ex-cop I know advises that if you have to use a gun on a youth [to defend yourself against armed robbery], you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible... I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming." (October 1992: "Blast 'Em?")[184]
“I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any coincidence that the AIDS epidemic developed after they came 'out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy? I don't believe so, medically or morally.” (June 1990: "Newsletter")[192]
“[Magic] Johnson may be a sports star, but he is dying [of AIDS] because he violated moral laws.” (December 1991: "Mr. Johnson's Magic")[185]
“[T]he criminal ‘Justice’ Department wants to force dentists to treat these Darth Vader types [people with AIDS] under the vicious Americans With Disabilities Act;" and “[W]e all have the right to discriminate, which is what freedom of association is all about, especially against killers [AIDS patients].” (November 1993: "AIDSophilia")[185]
Other passages referred to former Secretary of Health & Human Services Donna Shalala as a “short lesbian” and Martin Luther King, Jr. as a pedophile and “lying socialist satyr" – while offering praise for former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke and other controversial figures.[184][185][192]
When criticism of the newsletters was leveled against Paul during his 1996 congressional election, he did not deny writing the newsletters, but instead defended them and said that the material had been taken out of context.[19][186][187] In later years, Paul said that the controversial material had been ghostwritten by members of a team that included 6 or 8 others and that, as publisher, not editor, he had not even been aware of the content of the controversial articles until years after they had been published.[19][193] He eventually disavowed those passages, and stated that in 1996 his campaign advisers had thought denying authorship would be too confusing and that he had to live with the material published under his name.[19][193] Some political commentators made note of the changing nature of the explanations he had provided over the years about his involvement with the newsletters.[194][195][196]
An estranged former long-term aide of Paul, Eric Dondero, alleged that Paul was lying about his role in the production of the controversial newsletters.[197][198] During the 2012 Republican presidential primary campaign, in January 2012, the Washington Post reported[199] that several of Paul's former associates said that Paul had been very involved in the production of the newsletters and had allowed the controversial material to be included as part of a deliberate strategy to boost profits. Paul's former secretary said, "It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product... He would proof it."[199] Paul continued to deny the accusations and to disavow the material.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

[Barata Tenno]

Os políticos mais estúpidos dos EUA estão no Tea Party. Sharron Angle, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Steve King, Herman Cain, Louie Gohmert, etc.

Ok, tinha perguntado porque acho que o Derfel joga Ron Paul no mesmo barco do Tea Party.

Não o conheço (mesmo porque não acompanho política dos EUA), mas pelo que li não só joga como é uma inspiração para o movimento.

Wagner serviu de inspiração para os temas musicais nazistas mas ele nunca foi um crápula.

Wagner não fez parte do partido nazista, Ron Paul faz parte do Tea Party.

[Derfel]

Os políticos mais estúpidos dos EUA estão no Tea Party. Sharron Angle, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Steve King, Herman Cain, Louie Gohmert, etc.

Ok, tinha perguntado porque acho que o Derfel joga Ron Paul no mesmo barco do Tea Party.

Não o conheço (mesmo porque não acompanho política dos EUA), mas pelo que li não só joga como é uma inspiração para o movimento.

Wagner serviu de inspiração para os temas musicais nazistas mas ele nunca foi um crápula.

Havia já enviado o post, mas parece que não foi publicado...

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Paul was the first chairman of the conservative PAC Citizens for a Sound Economy[2] and has been characterized as the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party movement.
...
In 1984, Paul became the first chairman of the Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE),[2] a conservative political group founded by David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." CSE founded the Tea Party movement in 2002,[33] but it did not catch on. In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy split into two new organizations, with Citizens for a Sound Economy being renamed as FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation becoming Americans for Prosperity. The two organizations would become key players in the Tea Party movement from 2009 onward.
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Beginning in 1978, for more than two decades Paul and his associates published a number of political and investment-oriented newsletters bearing his name (Dr. Ron Paul's Freedom Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, the Ron Paul Investment Letter, and the Ron Paul Political Report).[184] By 1993, a business through which Paul was publishing the newsletters was earning in excess of $900,000 per year.[184]

A number of the newsletters, particularly in the period between 1988 and 1994 when Paul was no longer in Congress, contained material that later proved highly controversial, dwelling on conspiracy theories, praising anti-government militia movements, and warning of coming race wars.[184][185] During Paul's 1996 congressional election campaign, and his 2008 and 2012 presidential primary campaigns, critics charged that some of the passages reflected racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic bigotry.[19][186][187][188][189][190][191]

The newsletters included statements such as:

"...I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in [Washington, DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."[186]
"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day!" (February 1990: "The Coming Race War")[184]
"An ex-cop I know advises that if you have to use a gun on a youth [to defend yourself against armed robbery], you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible... I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming." (October 1992: "Blast 'Em?")[184]
“I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any coincidence that the AIDS epidemic developed after they came 'out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy? I don't believe so, medically or morally.” (June 1990: "Newsletter")[192]
“[Magic] Johnson may be a sports star, but he is dying [of AIDS] because he violated moral laws.” (December 1991: "Mr. Johnson's Magic")[185]
“[T]he criminal ‘Justice’ Department wants to force dentists to treat these Darth Vader types [people with AIDS] under the vicious Americans With Disabilities Act;" and “[W]e all have the right to discriminate, which is what freedom of association is all about, especially against killers [AIDS patients].” (November 1993: "AIDSophilia")[185]
Other passages referred to former Secretary of Health & Human Services Donna Shalala as a “short lesbian” and Martin Luther King, Jr. as a pedophile and “lying socialist satyr" – while offering praise for former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke and other controversial figures.[184][185][192]

When criticism of the newsletters was leveled against Paul during his 1996 congressional election, he did not deny writing the newsletters, but instead defended them and said that the material had been taken out of context.[19][186][187] In later years, Paul said that the controversial material had been ghostwritten by members of a team that included 6 or 8 others and that, as publisher, not editor, he had not even been aware of the content of the controversial articles until years after they had been published.[19][193] He eventually disavowed those passages, and stated that in 1996 his campaign advisers had thought denying authorship would be too confusing and that he had to live with the material published under his name.[19][193] Some political commentators made note of the changing nature of the explanations he had provided over the years about his involvement with the newsletters.[194][195][196]

An estranged former long-term aide of Paul, Eric Dondero, alleged that Paul was lying about his role in the production of the controversial newsletters.[197][198] During the 2012 Republican presidential primary campaign, in January 2012, the Washington Post reported[199] that several of Paul's former associates said that Paul had been very involved in the production of the newsletters and had allowed the controversial material to be included as part of a deliberate strategy to boost profits. Paul's former secretary said, "It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product... He would proof it."[199] Paul continued to deny the accusations and to disavow the material.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

[Cumpadi]

O Ron Paul já disse ele mesmo que o Tea Party foi roubado pelos republicanos. Se vocês quiserem misturar ele com o Tea Party só para tentar chamar a direita americana de idiota, aí fica difícil.

[Barata Tenno]

O Ron Paul já disse ele mesmo que o Tea Party foi roubado pelos republicanos. Se vocês quiserem misturar ele com o Tea Party só para tentar chamar a direita americana de idiota, aí fica difícil.

O Tea Party faz parte da direita americana, Ron Paul faz parte do Tea Party e do partido Republicano, ele decidiu se misturar e se manter na companhia do Tea Party e de lunáticos republicanos. Reclame com ele, diga-me com quem andas.....

[Lorentz]

Desculpem, mas toda vez que vejo o título, só consigo pensar na imagem abaixo:

[Sr. Alguém]

Ultimamente eu sinto que está havendo uma guinada para direita/ extrema direita no Brasil e no mundo. E uma direita cristã. Não duvido que em um período curto de tempo haja um governo de direita cristã no Brasil (similar ao Tea Party Americano). É só uma sensação, ou estou ficando desanimado com tudo...

Os candidatos cristãos a presidente (PSC e PSDC) não chegam a 5% dos votos, somados. Eles são melhores para chegar ao legislativo, onde fazem muita merda:

http://www.sul21.com.br/jornal/bancada-religiosa-a-mais-ausente-inexpressiva-e-processada/

http://noticias.gospelmais.com.br/jornalista-bancada-evangelica-ausente-inexpressiva-congresso-36657.html

[Moro]

Se Ron Paul disse metade do que é reputado a ele,  é um imbecil Sakamoto level, até mais talvez.

[Cumpadi]

O Ron Paul já disse ele mesmo que o Tea Party foi roubado pelos republicanos. Se vocês quiserem misturar ele com o Tea Party só para tentar chamar a direita americana de idiota, aí fica difícil.

O Tea Party faz parte da direita americana, Ron Paul faz parte do Tea Party e do partido Republicano, ele decidiu se misturar e se manter na companhia do Tea Party e de lunáticos republicanos. Reclame com ele, diga-me com quem andas.....

Não ele não anda com o Tea Party, você quer associar ele a coisas que ele não defende por que aí é mais fácil para você dizer que tudo que ele diz é besteira. para que apresentar críticas estruturadas se você pode simplesmente criar um espantalho?

[Bolsonaro neles]

Para o Barata, nunca um republicano será digno de voto. É revanchismo.

[Barata Tenno]

Ron Paul várias vezes apoiou candidatos do tea party, nunca reclamou do apoio que recebeu, nunca reclama das merdas que os republicanos querem implantar, mesmo as merdas que vão contra o que ele prega, como diminuição de direitos de minorias, restrições ao direito reprodutivo, etc. Querer livrar a barra dele enquanto ele faz parte com partido arcaico, racista e opressivo é como querer separar o Suplicy do PT. Novamente, diga-me com quem andas....

[Barata Tenno]

Ja houve replublicanos dignos de voto, como já houve petistas digno de voto. Eu sinceramente acho que os libertários deveria fundar um novo partido de deixar o GOP afundar sozinho.

[Moro]

interessante que para uma visão petista somos direitas reacionários mas nos EUA possivelmente seríamos Obama achando que somos centro direita.

[Barata Tenno]

A maioria dos de "direita"  aqui do fórum seriam taxados de comunistas liberais, nos EUA.

[Moro]

Fuck.. mundo louco, chance de comunicação zero

[Geotecton]

A maioria dos de "direita"  aqui do fórum seriam taxados de comunistas liberais, nos EUA.

Por falar em comunistas, aquele tal de Reagan era, para mim, um agente comunista 'plantado' no EUA pela URSS no início da década de 20 do século passado. 

[Bolsonaro neles]

A maioria dos de "direita"  aqui do fórum seriam taxados de comunistas liberais, nos EUA.

Não me ofenda. Vou te denunciar à administração do fórum...

[_Juca_]

A maioria dos de "direita"  aqui do fórum seriam taxados de comunistas liberais, nos EUA.

Não me ofenda. Vou te denunciar à administração do fórum...

Você nem sabe o que é, a prova é que você mistura Bolsonaro, Tea Party e Joaquim Barbosa no mesmo balaio, sendo que ideologicamente existe quase uma abismo entre eles.

[Bolsonaro neles]

Bolsonaro é o que temos;
Joaquim Barbosa é o que gostaríamos;
Tea party é o que infelizmente nunca vamos ter.

[Moro]

Ron Paul DESTROYS Michele Bachmann on Iran, booed…:
por esse debate tem Republicano bem pior que ele, aqui ele parece pacifista

[Barata Tenno]

 Michele Bachmann  é uma retardada fanática religiosa, mas Ron Paul esta no mesmo partido, é como querer separar o Suplici do PT.

[Bolsonaro neles]

Teremos Hillary Clinton concorrendo pelos Democratas. Mas ela já deve ter uns 75 anos. Terminaria um segundo mandato com 83.

[_Juca_]

Teremos Hillary Clinton concorrendo pelos Democratas. Mas ela já deve ter uns 75 anos. Terminaria um segundo mandato com 83.

Hillary, outra petista.

http://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/hillary-clinton-chama-dilma-de-lider-formidavel-12792574

[Geotecton]

Teremos Hillary Clinton concorrendo pelos Democratas. Mas ela já deve ter uns 75 anos. Terminaria um segundo mandato com 83.

Hillary, outra petista.

http://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/hillary-clinton-chama-dilma-de-lider-formidavel-12792574

"O cliente sempre tem razão."

[Moro]

Teremos Hillary Clinton concorrendo pelos Democratas. Mas ela já deve ter uns 75 anos. Terminaria um segundo mandato com 83.

Hillary, outra petista.

http://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/hillary-clinton-chama-dilma-de-lider-formidavel-12792574

Protocolo. Tenho certeza que falaria melhor de Aécio, por exemplo.

Chamar uma burra como a Dilma de lider formidável, só por protocolo.

Engraçado que essas menções protocolares já geraram muitos problemas com o passar do tempo.