Tópico: Trump vs Hillary

[Pasteur]

O que me assombra é o poder de penetracao que esse fake news exercem sobre a população.

Alguns não tem um mínimo interesse em filtrar essas falsidades. Parece que as engolem com muito prazer sem mastigar...

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Está explicado:

A notícia sobre o Obama promover o voto de imigrantes ilegais veio da FoxNews, que é a rede 247 da direita mais retrógrada do EUA.

Convenientemente isso me lembrou de exemplos de onde tinha a leve impressão de desonestidade direitista ser um pouco maior que esquerdista, tema mencionado em outro tópico.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-deceptively-edits-obama-interview-to-falsely-claim-he-told-illegal-immigrants-to-vote/

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

O que me assombra é o poder de penetracao que esse fake news exercem sobre a população.

Alguns não tem um mínimo interesse em filtrar essas falsidades. Parece que as engolem com muito prazer sem mastigar...

Algumas vezes até de "joke news" mesmo.

Já está ficando até meio clichê particular repetir, mas vi um blogueiro direitista qualquer (não "renomado") repetir "notícia" do Piauí Herald (que acho que foi elogiado até pelo Reinaldo Azevedo, apesar da Piauí ser esquerdista) de que a Dilma teria dito que as obras da BR PTR  previnem terremotos. Com um clima de deboche parecido com o quando ela tentou fazer piada com "armazenar vento".

O que me assombra é o poder de penetracao

[Gauss]

A FakeNews tem jeito? Falar que Obama incentivou ilegais a votar sendo que eles nem podem fazer isso é de uma desonestidade inacreditável. O incrível é que grande parte da população realmente acredita nessas bobagens. São os tipos de pessoas que sabem que são ignorantes e ainda acham bonito, se orgulham disso.

[Pasteur]

O que me assombra é o poder de penetracao

 

[Agnoscetico]

A FakeNews tem jeito? Falar que Obama incentivou ilegais a votar sendo que eles nem podem fazer isso é de uma desonestidade inacreditável. O incrível é que grande parte da população realmente acredita nessas bobagens. São os tipos de pessoas que sabem que são ignorantes e ainda acham bonito, se orgulham disso.

Alguns nem acreditam, fazem de desonestidade e cara de pau mesmo e fingem acreditar pra dar mais "credibilidade" a mentira falada varias vezes pra se "tornar" verdade.

[Pagão]

http://24.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigos/hillary-clinton-diz-que-perdeu-as-eleicoes-devido-a-ataque-russo-e-e-mails

Não resistiu a "sacudir a água do capote"...

[Pagão]

http://ionline.sapo.pt/539287

Agora é o marido a "sacudir"...

[Gauss]

http://ionline.sapo.pt/539287

Agora é o marido a "sacudir"...

"Bill Clinton acusa o FBI de ter derrotado a sua mulher"


Começo a suspeitar que o Pasteur é o Bill Clinton.

[Pasteur]

http://ionline.sapo.pt/539287

Agora é o marido a "sacudir"...

"Bill Clinton acusa o FBI de ter derrotado a sua mulher"


Começo a suspeitar que o Pasteur é o Bill Clinton.

O diretor do FBI e o Putin devem estar rindo à toa...

[Gauss]

http://ionline.sapo.pt/539287

Agora é o marido a "sacudir"...

"Bill Clinton acusa o FBI de ter derrotado a sua mulher"


Começo a suspeitar que o Pasteur é o Bill Clinton.

O diretor do FBI e o Putin devem estar rindo à toa...

E os chefões da ExxonMobil.

[Agnoscetico]

Parece que em resposta ao Putin, Trump quer aumentar arsenal nuclear:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0FQO2JBpDkw" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0FQO2JBpDkw</a>

[Pasteur]

Governo Obama está perto de anunciar medidas para punir a Rússia por interferência eleitoral



Essa eu quero ver!

[Agnoscetico]

Sobre a tal Pizzagate, um humorista fez um deboche disso, mas tá em inglês e sem legenda. Só sei que reação dos conservadores nos comentários foi de repulsa (mais mimimi conservador do que provas relevantes). Dá impressão de que esse conservadores ou anti-liberais torcem pra que haja mais caso de pedofilia pra poder associar com os rivais e pôr culpa neles.
Essa pizzagate tá me parecendo mais evidência circunstancial do que algo que ainda concreto que dê pra se afirmar sobre isso:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tfXWXNItF_Y" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tfXWXNItF_Y</a>

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Trump anos atrás:

http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/9/28/read-donald-trumps-advocate-interview-where-he-defends-gays-mexicans

What would you do to combat antigay prejudice?
I like the idea of amending the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include a ban of discrimination based on sexual orientation. It would be simple. It would be straightforward. We don’t need to rewrite the laws currently on the books, although I do think we need to address hate-crimes legislation. But amending the Civil Rights Act would grant the same protection to gay people that we give to other Americans — it’s only fair. I actually suggested this first, and now I see [Democratic presidential candidate] Bill Bradley has jumped on the bandwagon and is claiming the idea as his own. [A bill to amend the Civil Rights Act that would have included protections on the basis of sexual orientation was first introduced in the 1970s. — Ed.] ...

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Are your gay employees allowed to be out?
Everyone makes a personal choice. Look, it just doesn’t matter to me. I try to treat everybody equal and fairly. Maybe that's why I can count men like Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, and Sammy Sosa as my friends. When you hang with people who are different from you, you get an appreciation for other cultures.

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Are you running just to beat Pat Buchanan?
I used to like Pat. I was on Crossfire with him. I thought he was a nice guy. Then I read the things he had written about Hitler, Jews, blacks, gays, and Mexicans. I mean, I think it’s disgusting. That speech he made at the ’92 Republican convention was a disaster. He wants to divide Americans. Clearly, he has a love affair with Adolf Hitler, and that’s sick. Buchanan actually said gay people had chosen “satan[ism] and suicide.” Now he says he welcomes gay people into his campaign. The guy is a hypocrite.

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Curiosa rota de como encontrei isso. Na Economist li que há uma certa moda "medievalista" entre a direita, quando costumava ser algo mais marxista (!) até antes de 11/9/2001. Citava que há memes de um Trump cavaleiro/cruzado que nunca vi. No google images acabei encontrando uma captura de imagem desse texto ou de foto de Trump, Melania e Nelson Mandela, num weblog de um alt-righter dizendo que Trump não era um deles e não deveriam se continuar se auto-enganando.

[Pasteur]

Rumores estão emergindo de que Hillary Clinton poderá concorrer a prefeitura de Nova Iorque.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/opinion/sunday/rumors-of-hillary-clintons-comeback.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

[Gauss]

Rumores estão emergindo de que Hillary Clinton poderá concorrer a prefeitura de Nova Iorque.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/opinion/sunday/rumors-of-hillary-clintons-comeback.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Final decadente. Da presidência para a prefeitura. Bem a altura dela mesmo.Já pensou se ela perde?

[Buckaroo Banzai]

http://time.com/4656167/russia-hacking-treason-us-election/

Reports of Treason Arrests in Russia Are Fueling Intrigue Over Hacking Allegations

Howard Amos / AP
2:03 AM BRST

(MOSCOW) — In the days since it emerged that four men had been arrested on treason charges linked to cyber intelligence and Russia's domestic security agency, conspiracy theories and speculation about the case have swept through Moscow.

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Specifics of the case are murky, and no Russian government officials have commented publicly. Russian media have been filled with lurid, often contradictory, details that most assume are leaked by warring factions of intelligence officers.
Linking the arrests to the U.S. vote would mean joining the dots between a series of shadowy actors in the Russian internet world.
In one of the few formal acknowledgements of the case, Ivan Pavlov, a Russian defense lawyer specializing in treason cases, confirmed to The Associated Press that at least four arrests on linked treason charges had taken place. He declined to elaborate.
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Ivan Pavlov? Isso é sério? Parece o que alguém usaria como nome improvisado numa lorota em uma comédia. Mas pode ser só homenagem mesmo.

... The first arrest emerged last week with the news of the detention of Ruslan Stoyanov, an executive at Kaspersky Lab, a cybersecurity firm.
Stoyanov apparently traveled widely as the head of the company's computer incidents investigations. According to his LinkedIn profile, he was employed by the Russian Interior Ministry's cybercrime unit in the early 2000s and hired by Kaspersky in 2012. Kaspersky has said the charges against Stoyanov relate to a time before he joined the company.
Multiple Russian media outlets have reported the detention of three officers working for the cybercrime division of the FSB, Russia's domestic security agency, at around the same time as Stoyanov's arrest in December. Two of the men have been named in Russian media as Col. Sergei Mikhailov, deputy head of the FSB's Information Security Center (TsIB), and a subordinate, Maj. Dmitry Dokuchayev. Pavlov said a fourth defendant in the case was his client, but he refused to reveal his name.
TsIB is an "experienced cyberespionage outfit" that has expanded rapidly in recent years, according to Galeotti. "Their job is to hoover up everything they can."

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News outlets Life News and Rosbalt, which has close links to the security services, reported that the FSB officers fed sensitive information to hacking group Shaltai Boltai, or Humpty Dumpty, which used it in a complex profit-making enterprise to blackmail dozens of Russian political figures.

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[Buckaroo Banzai]

A mídia tomou no cu.

A mídia razoável.

A mídia pró-Trump, análoga quase perfeita da esgotosfera petista (acho que recebem menos/nada do estado), está comemorando.

Você está precisando ler mais o Breitbart. Sério. Ou então está precisando ler mais o Pragmatismo Politico. Porque são zero análogos. Mas zero mesmo, rosca.

[...] Journalist Ben Shapiro, a former writer for Breitbart, described it as a platform for “white ethno-nationalism” and a “cesspool for white supremacist meme makers.” [...]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/appointment-of-steve-bannon-draws-furious-rebukes/ar-AAkikRj

Em 2012 que entrou o Bannon e a coisa deixou de ser só conservadorismo mais tradicional para esse nacionalismo branco semi "light".

[Buckaroo Banzai]

http://veja.abril.com.br/mundo/ex-kgb-e-suspeito-de-ligacao-com-dossie-de-trump/

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-spy-oleg-erovinkin-linked-to-donald-trumps-dirty-dossier-found-dead-in-moscow/news-story/2f09fe637d692769d260d1f3fd603ddd

Russian spy Oleg Erovinkin linked to Donald Trump’s ‘dirty dossier’ found dead in Moscow

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The Sun reports that Oleg Erovinkin, described as a key source behind the widely discredited document, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day.

Media reports in Russia suggest his death was the result of foul play, reports the Telegraph.

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Erovinkin’s death has prompted speculation that it was linked to the sensational document, reports the Telegraph.
Russian news agency RIA Novosti news agency reports his body was “found in a black Lexus … a large-scale investigation has been commenced in the area.
“Erovinkin’s body was sent to the FSB morgue”.
While no cause of death has been confirmed, some reports have claimed he died as a result of a heart attack.

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[Agnoscetico]

http://veja.abril.com.br/mundo/ex-kgb-e-suspeito-de-ligacao-com-dossie-de-trump/

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-spy-oleg-erovinkin-linked-to-donald-trumps-dirty-dossier-found-dead-in-moscow/news-story/2f09fe637d692769d260d1f3fd603ddd

Russian spy Oleg Erovinkin linked to Donald Trump’s ‘dirty dossier’ found dead in Moscow

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The Sun reports that Oleg Erovinkin, described as a key source behind the widely discredited document, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day.

Media reports in Russia suggest his death was the result of foul play, reports the Telegraph.

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Erovinkin’s death has prompted speculation that it was linked to the sensational document, reports the Telegraph.
Russian news agency RIA Novosti news agency reports his body was “found in a black Lexus … a large-scale investigation has been commenced in the area.
“Erovinkin’s body was sent to the FSB morgue”.
While no cause of death has been confirmed, some reports have claimed he died as a result of a heart attack.

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Falando nisso, não sei se viu noutro tópico:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Srf1_eObRVQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Srf1_eObRVQ</a>

[FZapp]

Agora a gente já sabe que ganhou a eleições nos EUA, a Exxon.

http://noticias.uol.com.br/internacional/ultimas-noticias/2016/12/13/trump-confirma-tillerson-como-secretario-de-estado-dos-eua.htm

Exatamente.

E no Brasil, as últimas três eleições foram ganhas pela Odebrecht.

De fato. 

Eu diria que Odebrecht ganhou todas as eleições desde antes de ter eleições ...