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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #500 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:23:14 »
Buck aconselho você ver seu video e comparar com o que é cantada para quem as defende aqui, como já explicado N vezes.

Veja seu vídeo, veja o "shake that ass babe"
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #501 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:26:23 »
Para sua informação, estou seguindo a ordem

A sua ordem é diferente da minha, depende das suas buscas e sites que você frequenta.

Todos os posts tem o link. Você está errado e confunde as abordagens.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #502 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:35:11 »
Barata, sexto link (o quinto não abre)

Bate com sua visão

http://thoughtcatalog.com/kendall-goodwin/2012/10/stop-catcalling-me/

Ela reconhece que não pode falar pelas mulheres mas suas amigas também não gostam. Se bem que ela cita como exemplo homens olhando como cachorros.. mas o texto em geral bate com sua visão
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #503 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:36:55 »
Barata, sétimo link


http://futurefem.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/catcalling-no-its-never-a-compliment/



1)A man slapping her arse as he walked passed.

2) A different man whistling at her from his car.

3) Finally, another man blocking her way so that she couldn’t get past, winking at her, then saying “don’t make it hard love”.


Outra vez, nada a ver
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #504 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:37:05 »
Para sua informação, estou seguindo a ordem

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Todos os posts tem o link. Você está errado e confunde as abordagens.

O primeiro link que aparece na minha busca é esse:

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article3564730.html


"Even so, I think the clip manages to make its point: namely, that it’s a gluteal pain, if you are an attractive woman, trying to walk down the street without being messed with. Many men seem to feel it their absolute entitlement and peremptory prerogative to intercept you, to demand notice, to compel conversation, to offer evaluations of your physical assets."
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #505 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:38:03 »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Pulwi5dw0Wc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Pulwi5dw0Wc</a>

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #506 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:39:46 »
Barata, oitavo link

A moça desenvolve seu raciocínio sobre crianças sendo cantadas e de maneira abusiva

At 10, I was already about to pass the 5-foot-10 mark and I was a little more developed than most 10 year olds.
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Why am I sad?

I am sad because I am not the only woman that has experienced this from a young age.

Catcalling, also referred to as street harassment, is  when someone either makes a loud whistle, comment or gesture in a sexual manner toward a person, most commonly a woman, in public.

- See more at: http://spartandaily.com/127730/catcalling-compliment#sthash.sZpUCPzg.dpuf



Mais uma vez, nada a ver
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #507 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:40:30 »
Deviam fazer um vídeo com um cara tipo o Frota mexendo com caras na rua.
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #508 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:42:11 »
Para sua informação, estou seguindo a ordem

A sua ordem é diferente da minha, depende das suas buscas e sites que você frequenta.

Todos os posts tem o link. Você está errado e confunde as abordagens.

O primeiro link que aparece na minha busca é esse:

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article3564730.html


"Even so, I think the clip manages to make its point: namely, that it’s a gluteal pain, if you are an attractive woman, trying to walk down the street without being messed with. Many men seem to feel it their absolute entitlement and peremptory prerogative to intercept you, to demand notice, to compel conversation, to offer evaluations of your physical assets."

Não é justamente daquela ativista do vídeo? Anyway, você já deve ter percebido que as reclamações são distintas do que as pessoas defendem aqui.

Posso continuar...
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #509 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:43:54 »
Para fixar Barata, você não entendeu o que está sendo discutindo e saiu cagando regras. Suas fontes apenas reforçam o contrário do que você disse, reforçam que é óbvio que mulheres (homens, crianças, velhos e ETs também) não gostam de grosserias.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #510 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:44:03 »
Vamos ignorar os trocentos parágrafos em todo o texto onde frases desse tipo aparecem:

3.) It’s about control- Men who catcall are letting those targeted women know that their bodies can and will be commented on. A catcall is not a harmless inquiry or flirting technique, it’s a directive and command about a woman’s body that a man feels entitled to make.

5.) It’s dehumanizing- I was reduced to an object, not a human being who deserves respect.  When a man catcalls, he completely disregards a woman’s identity.

6.) It’s invasive- The men who harassed me invaded my personal space and led me to feel unsafe walking a public street in broad daylight.

8.) It’s disempowering- It is an act of disempowerment when a woman is degraded to targeted object



He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #511 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:44:15 »
porque como todo ideólogo, você se recusa a testar a realidade que você tem certeza em que vive. Somente o esperado.



Nesse caso fico orgulhoso dessa minha ideologia frente a sua má educação.

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #512 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:46:00 »
Barata, nono link

http://catcalled.tumblr.com/

Basicamente a garota foi molestada no metrô

Nada a ver
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #513 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:47:21 »
Dude, o que aparece são os piores exemplos, mas elas reclamam te terem atenção não requisitada, de serem incomodadas quando querem ficar em paz, isso é comum a todos os textos e você parece não perceber.
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #514 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:47:32 »
Vamos ignorar os trocentos parágrafos em todo o texto onde frases desse tipo aparecem:

3.) It’s about control- Men who catcall are letting those targeted women know that their bodies can and will be commented on. A catcall is not a harmless inquiry or flirting technique, it’s a directive and command about a woman’s body that a man feels entitled to make.

5.) It’s dehumanizing- I was reduced to an object, not a human being who deserves respect.  When a man catcalls, he completely disregards a woman’s identity.

6.) It’s invasive- The men who harassed me invaded my personal space and led me to feel unsafe walking a public street in broad daylight.

8.) It’s disempowering- It is an act of disempowerment when a woman is degraded to targeted object





Esse texto bate com sua visão, estou pegando todos os outros, em ordem
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #515 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:48:31 »
porque como todo ideólogo, você se recusa a testar a realidade que você tem certeza em que vive. Somente o esperado.



Nesse caso fico orgulhoso dessa minha ideologia frente a sua má educação.

Olhe no "Você é um religioso"? Tem uma parte para quem não sabe argumentar e só entra para falar slogans. Ao menos o Barata está lá, tentando defender o indefensável como no caso do SUS.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #516 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:49:54 »
Dude, o que aparece são os piores exemplos, mas elas reclamam te terem atenção não requisitada, de serem incomodadas quando querem ficar em paz, isso é comum a todos os textos e você parece não perceber.

Barata, a questão é a maneira. Elas expõe o que as irritaram com razão e não é o que estamos dizendo aqui. Você viu os trechos do que exatamente elas estão reclamando?? Eles se repetem.. continuando
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #517 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:50:59 »
De um dos links que você leu:

A lot of people, mostly men, have responded by telling women there is nothing wrong with men wanting to compliment women.

They say women are overreacting and are being too sensitive.

Now men I do not know are telling me to smile.

Yet, there are still some people who seem to think women ask to get these “compliments” because they dress up, whether it’s in miniskirts, dresses, shorts or having nice lips, as one guy pointed out to me.
Even when I do smile and make eye contact, it somehow becomes an invitation for men to make advances toward me.
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #518 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:51:34 »
Barata, décimo link

http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/the-lounge/cat-calling-offensive-compliment

In my case, a man in a parked car opened up the passenger side window, leaned over the passenger seat, and shouted "hey sexy" at me.  I continued walking and he drove his car along side the sidewalk while continuously shouting and whistling at me.  He continued for about a block at which point I went into my office.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #519 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:52:26 »
porque como todo ideólogo, você se recusa a testar a realidade que você tem certeza em que vive. Somente o esperado.



Nesse caso fico orgulhoso dessa minha ideologia frente a sua má educação.

Olhe no "Você é um religioso"? Tem uma parte para quem não sabe argumentar e só entra para falar slogans. Ao menos o Barata está lá, tentando defender o indefensável como no caso do SUS.
É piada isso, só pode. Temos incontáveis evidências de que as mulheres no geral não gostam, e você fala que o Barata defende o indefensável. 3,2,1 pra chamar o Barata de petista. :lol:

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #520 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:52:34 »
De um dos links que você leu:

A lot of people, mostly men, have responded by telling women there is nothing wrong with men wanting to compliment women.

They say women are overreacting and are being too sensitive.

Now men I do not know are telling me to smile.

Yet, there are still some people who seem to think women ask to get these “compliments” because they dress up, whether it’s in miniskirts, dresses, shorts or having nice lips, as one guy pointed out to me.
Even when I do smile and make eye contact, it somehow becomes an invitation for men to make advances toward me.

E qual foi o exemplo que ela deu?
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #521 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:53:00 »
Barata, décimo link

http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/the-lounge/cat-calling-offensive-compliment

In my case, a man in a parked car opened up the passenger side window, leaned over the passenger seat, and shouted "hey sexy" at me.  I continued walking and he drove his car along side the sidewalk while continuously shouting and whistling at me.  He continued for about a block at which point I went into my office.

Desse mesmo link

Creepy. I'm a pretty reserved girl so I don't like being eyed-over, and being told "Hello"
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #522 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:53:06 »
porque como todo ideólogo, você se recusa a testar a realidade que você tem certeza em que vive. Somente o esperado.



Nesse caso fico orgulhoso dessa minha ideologia frente a sua má educação.

Olhe no "Você é um religioso"? Tem uma parte para quem não sabe argumentar e só entra para falar slogans. Ao menos o Barata está lá, tentando defender o indefensável como no caso do SUS.
É piada isso, só pode. Temos incontáveis evidências de que as mulheres no geral não gostam, e você fala que o Barata defende o indefensável. 3,2,1 pra chamar o Barata de petista. :lol:

Pode colocar essas evidências?
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #523 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:54:45 »
Barata, décimo link

http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/the-lounge/cat-calling-offensive-compliment

In my case, a man in a parked car opened up the passenger side window, leaned over the passenger seat, and shouted "hey sexy" at me.  I continued walking and he drove his car along side the sidewalk while continuously shouting and whistling at me. He continued for about a block at which point I went into my office.

Desse mesmo link

Creepy. I'm a pretty reserved girl so I don't like being eyed-over, and being told "Hello"

O que ela está reclamando é do que está em negrito. O que ela cita é uma característica dela, não é de longe o ponto dela.
“If an ideology is peaceful, we will see its extremists and literalists as the most peaceful people on earth, that's called common sense.”

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar


"To claim that someone is not motivated by what they say is motivating them, means you know what motivates them better than they do."

Peter Boghossian

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

I'm not convinced that faith can move mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers."  --William Gascoyne

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Re:Cantadas e Assédio Sexual
« Resposta #524 Online: 11 de Novembro de 2014, 23:55:04 »
De um dos links que você leu:

A lot of people, mostly men, have responded by telling women there is nothing wrong with men wanting to compliment women.

They say women are overreacting and are being too sensitive.

Now men I do not know are telling me to smile.

Yet, there are still some people who seem to think women ask to get these “compliments” because they dress up, whether it’s in miniskirts, dresses, shorts or having nice lips, as one guy pointed out to me.
Even when I do smile and make eye contact, it somehow becomes an invitation for men to make advances toward me.

E qual foi o exemplo que ela deu?

Não é possível que você não perceba a mensagem geral do texto é "me deixem em paz. Parem de me dar cantadas, eu não quero receber elogios na rua de estranhos". Todos os textos tem a mesma mensagem!!!
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

 

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